Francis Has Given up Presiding at the Novus Ordo Eucharist
For Specola (InfoVaticana.com, 25 March) it is "terrible to note" that Francis has not presided at the Eucharist for years: "He doesn't do it in public, but he doesn't do it in private either." The …More
For Specola (InfoVaticana.com, 25 March) it is "terrible to note" that Francis has not presided at the Eucharist for years: "He doesn't do it in public, but he doesn't do it in private either."
The only exception was on All Souls' Day, when he presided with the master of ceremonies.
"We are not talking about a man who has such serious health problems that he cannot preside at a Eucharist," 'Specola' notes.
Francis is able to stand: "He stands when he wants to and does so in Santa Marta as elsewhere."
'Specola' writes that for the life of a priest, the Eucharist is "the most important event of the day" and that "there cannot be a day without the priest celebrating and offering the sacrifice of the Mass for himself and for his people".
"What example does Francis set for all priests?" he adds: "If there are real conditions that prevent him from presiding, at least explain them to the faithful and make sure they understand this aspect, which otherwise risks becoming a real scandal".
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The only exception was on All Souls' Day, when he presided with the master of ceremonies.
"We are not talking about a man who has such serious health problems that he cannot preside at a Eucharist," 'Specola' notes.
Francis is able to stand: "He stands when he wants to and does so in Santa Marta as elsewhere."
'Specola' writes that for the life of a priest, the Eucharist is "the most important event of the day" and that "there cannot be a day without the priest celebrating and offering the sacrifice of the Mass for himself and for his people".
"What example does Francis set for all priests?" he adds: "If there are real conditions that prevent him from presiding, at least explain them to the faithful and make sure they understand this aspect, which otherwise risks becoming a real scandal".
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He doesn't believe in the true presence.
Why does Gloria TV refer to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as a "Eucharist?" Are they simply mocking the Novus Ordo Mass, or have they simply adopted the "modern" name for the liturgy?
Eucharist is a noble term - as in Eucharistic adoration! We shouldn't let the modernists aversion to saying "Mass" lead to abandoning it. Also it seems to me most of these people prefer 'liturgy' as a label for Mass since it makes it equal to other liturgies in the Church, such as the Divine Office [Liturgy of the Hours].
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The problem is that two groups of people seem to deny the Council of Trent teaching (Sess. XXII) that the Eucharist IS the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass:
- modernists who use the Eucharist term instead of the Mass (to run away from a sacrifical aspect),
- pseudo-traditionalists who want to avoid the term Eucharist considering it as new / modern which is not the case.
The problem is that two groups of people seem to deny the Council of Trent teaching (Sess. XXII) that the Eucharist IS the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass:
- modernists who use the Eucharist term instead of the Mass (to run away from a sacrifical aspect),
- pseudo-traditionalists who want to avoid the term Eucharist considering it as new / modern which is not the case.
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The priest offers Christ's sacrifice, is not a "presider." But the Novus Ordo makes it seem irrelevant whether one is a "presider" or an "assessor". Pope Francis is just being consistent.
Anyway he is not worthy to celebrate holy mass
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At least he's consistent. He demands that the Church follow the path of the worldly.
Abbé Jean-Marie du Divin Coeur de Jésus
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Will it be consistent in hell?
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@Abbé Jean-Marie du Divin Coeur de Jésus Yes…very. Eternally consistent.
Can't be head of a Church that you're not part of.
Honorius is still pope of the Church
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Thanks. I'll go with St Robert Bellarmine, though
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Thanks. I'll go with St Robert Bellarmine, though
stmichaels.org/…armine-Whether-a-Heretical-Pope-Can-Be-Deposed.pdf
stmichaels.org/…armine-Whether-a-Heretical-Pope-Can-Be-Deposed.pdf
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Old Question: Is the Pope Catholic? New answer: NO
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Another version would be, "Is the Pope a Catholic?" Answer: He's a Jesuit! Man scratches his head. O.k. that makes sense.
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He must be cheering the fact that many parishes that used to have 2 public, daily masses, Monday through Saturday, now have fewer than one per day, on average, and often only 2 or 3 per week. I suppose that it is all according to plan.
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In the Diocese of Saskatoon, Sk, Canada, most Churches have no Holy Mass on Monday (for years now) because the priest needs time off from his exhausting "job" of celebrating the Holy Mass on Sunday.
One parish I went to years ago had a Rosary group (which I took part in) that recited the Rosary prior to Mass. The priest disliked it so much that on pretext of "church renovations" he cancelled daily Mass. When questioned he just sent us packing to a nearby parish. However, daily Mass was restored when the diocesan chancery got complaints. We could now return to Mass at our own parish - but not …More
One parish I went to years ago had a Rosary group (which I took part in) that recited the Rosary prior to Mass. The priest disliked it so much that on pretext of "church renovations" he cancelled daily Mass. When questioned he just sent us packing to a nearby parish. However, daily Mass was restored when the diocesan chancery got complaints. We could now return to Mass at our own parish - but not totally! Two days a week the deacon did a "Communion service." After all that I left to join another more conservative parish staffed by good Dominicans.
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This is telling. Pope Francis doesn't see offering mass as the raison detre of being a priest.
Anyway he is not worthy to celebrate holy mass
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@philosopher you got it in one! The 'modern' "priest" is there for "the People", not God.
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Is this not clear enough? This man does not act as Catholic priest let alone the Pope of the Catholic Church. Unfortunately the white robes he wears are blinding so many naive souls...
The author writes: "'for the life of a priest, the Eucharist is "the most important event of the day" Well that was true [and still is] for traditional priests. BUT since Vatican II the priest is no longer a mediator fulfilling a sacrificial role, but merely a 'presider' - a job that anyone could really fill: deacon, religious sister, layman [or woman].
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The author writes: "'for the life of a priest, the Eucharist is "the most important event of the day" Well that was true [and still is] for traditional priests. BUT since Vatican II the priest is no longer a mediator fulfilling a sacrificial role, but merely a 'presider' - a job that anyone could really fill: deacon, religious sister, layman [or woman].
Hence the rise of priests having 'days off' so they can have a break from all that church stuff. I've been to communities where the "priest" sat in the pews while some layperson gave a "reflection"; huge con-celebrations with priests vested at BEST in alb & stole, but many with simply a stole over a clerical suit or even regular street clothes! One diocese I lived in had NO MASS during the priests' annual retreat for days - they called it "3 days of darkness" Oh and this in the 80s way before mandatory govt. lock downs. One parish had a morning Mass followed by a "Communion service" led by a nun because many preferred the later time!!
So yeah - Francis is a product of the "New Pentecost/Springtime"
Hence the rise of priests having 'days off' so they can have a break from all that church stuff. I've been to communities where the "priest" sat in the pews while some layperson gave a "reflection"; huge con-celebrations with priests vested at BEST in alb & stole, but many with simply a stole over a clerical suit or even regular street clothes! One diocese I lived in had NO MASS during the priests' annual retreat for days - they called it "3 days of darkness" Oh and this in the 80s way before mandatory govt. lock downs. One parish had a morning Mass followed by a "Communion service" led by a nun because many preferred the later time!!
So yeah - Francis is a product of the "New Pentecost/Springtime"
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The cat speaks the ortho truth.