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Friday, April 13, 2012

'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions

A comment on this blog says that in Light of the World (Ignatius)p.107 the Holy Father was only expressing a personal opinion.Whether it was his personal opinion or the ordinary magisterium there was a factual, objective error.

I respect Pope Benedict XVI and I value what he writes.The point I wanted to make was that we do not know explicit cases of those saved in invincible ignorance etc as the pope assumes. Since we do not know any of these cases they are not explicit exceptions to the ancient teaching that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only and there are no (known) exceptions.
Since the pope makes this error he assumes that Vatican Council II mentions exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Since he thinks there are so many exceptions ( seeds of the Word, good conscience etc),then for him, the traditional position on ecumenism and other religions of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) is flawed. He would expect the SSPX to accept that there are defacto known cases of non Catholics in the present time (2011-2012 ) saved in invincible ignorance etc.We know there are no such cases.

These cases are always possibilities. They can never be defacto known to us. Since they are only possibilities always, they do not contradict the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation. It also does not contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

The SSPX needs to publicly state that there are no known exceptions to the dogma mentioned in Vatican Council II. There are no reference texts.
Also before any decision is taken on the SSPX a public clarification (non secret) should be asked of the the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican.
The pope approved two position papers of the International Theological Commission(ITC) with the same error. The two papers are

1.
Christianity and the World Religions(1997)
www.vatican.va/…/rc_cti_1997_cri….

2. THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED
www.vatican.va/…/rc_con_cfaith_d…

The President of the ITC was Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He represented the Vatican in failed talks with the SSPX. They differed over the issue of ecumenism, inter religious dialogue and religious liberty indicated by the Open Letter to the SSPX by Mnsgr.Nicola Bux, Consultant to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Office of Liturgical Celebrations of the Pope .
It may be mentioned that though the pope made the objective error in the book by Peter Seewald in none of the magisterial documents, including those issued by Cardinal Ratzinger and then Pope Benedict XVI, is it said that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us personally or that they are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.No magisterial text including that of Vatican Council II makes this error.
-Lionel Andrades
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There is no reference text in Vatican Council II contrary to the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/there-is-no-ref…

CONDITIONS FOR THE SSPX TO 'ENTER THE CHURCH'
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/conditions-for-…

There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/there-could-soo…

CATHOLICS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD PRAYED TODAY FOR 'HERETICS AND SCHISMATICS': DIVINE MERCY NOVENA
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/catholics-throu…

VATICAN-SSPX NEED TO CALL TIME OUT: ERROR IN LIGHT OF THE WORLD DIRECTLY LINKED TO DIFFERENCES IN ECUMENISM, INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY WHICH MSGR.NICOLA BUX MENTIONED
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/vatican-sspx-ne…

HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-ass…

HOLY FATHER MAKES AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN WRITING
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-mak…

The Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ says Nostra Aetate 4,Vatican Council II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/jewish-authorit…

DID THE POPE REALLY DENY THE FAITH ON THE NEED FOR JEWS TO CONVERT ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/did-pope-really…

ANIVERSARY OF THE DENIAL OF THE FAITH BY THE MAGISTERIUM ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/aniversary-of-d…

Personally, I love the Tridentine Mass and am scandalized by much of the Liturgical abuse and heresy over the last 5 decades, but I haven't left the Church regardless. The SSPXs I speak to almost always say they haven't left and aren't in schism. So why is a document STILL necessary to bring them back in "union." Good people need to stay and fight for what is worthy and not abandon Holy Mother Church in Her greatest time of need.

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