We do not believe in Fatima because it is dogma or even revelation,we believe it just as we believe 2+2=4 ,we believe because it is true.
Fatima is a good apparition, solid! But it is also true we shouldn’t RELY on any apparitions to withold or support our faith... Regarding the so called holes our dear chris griffing says but won’t show which, if i have to say there is such, perhaps it's because of human error; I have traveled to Fatima, and the supernatural can be sensed its still there, but also, human error, which it doesn’t pinch much what happened to those 3 children.
If you enter the main bld on each side there’s a credit card phone for donations, that's the first thing you see if you enter from both left or right, I consider that a big no no, another thing is the constant celebrations of other religions there facilitated by their administrators.
Do I think about Fatima every time i pray? No, but one thing I do remember every now and then the apparition does for me, is the words of our Lady: "Most souls go to hell because no one prays for them."
Those words to me are the true miracle, thanks be to God for such apparition, and such marvelous words from our Lady.
These beliefs defy the truth, allowing the accusations and judgements of his own false beliefs as posted here as c. griffin "begs" [his words] for what amounts for others to believe his false accusations and judgements and to instead follow himself in these.
FAITH is not about feelings, FAITH is about TRUTH.
ALL CATHOLICS should defend the Blessed Virgin Mary whenever She is being demeaned, persecuted, falsely accused and falsely judged especially by chris griffin who continuously and unabatedly elevates himself as to do this.
The following quotes are a sample excerpted from the comments of chris griffin to point out only some of his demeaning accusations and false judgements toward the QUEEN of Heaven and Earth whom the ALMIGHTY TRINITY chose to be THE Immaculate Conception as Mother of GOD, Ever Virgin MOTHER of our LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST Who is also our spiritual Mother.
***“You would think that The Blessed Virgin Mary would be against abortion but no Marian apparition has ever preached against abortion. Not even once, never.”
***“BMV is a creature, she is not imponent, she does not know everything and everything cannot be left up her.”
***“Only Jesus can originate and dispense grace, not Mary”
***“There are many, many false apparitions of BVM. Catholics must be more discriminating about BVM appearances. Most are phony.”
***“Many Bibles say Genesis 3:15 referrers to a male...Jesus.”
***“Father David Nix has been wrong in the past and is still wrong. Several years ago, he posted a video online where he said 4 times that the latest, most recent Catholic infallible statement was about Mary in 1850. Obviously, he was wrong because the condemnation of abortion was infallible in 1995. He refused to correct his video and I had to contact the video website and explain the truth to them and they deleted his erroneous statements from the video. Be very careful about his theology.”
chris griffin,
act as a man in YOUR judgements and accusations against our Lady of Fatima,
Who is the Holy and Blessed Mother of our LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST
Whom ALMIGHTY GOD sent to Fatima to warn and prepare the world.
What are the "so many holes in Fatima that it leaks like a sieve"?
Stop avoiding your responsibility to back up your accusations and judgements against the Mother of GOD, and behave as a man.
You have gone far enough in judging the Holy Blessed Virgin Mary of Fatima, and in begging others to follow you to discard Fatima as a phony apparition.
These same following Holy Scriptures apply to the True Catholic Church approved authentic messages our Lady of FATIMA, the Fatima witnesses, the existing Fatima documentation, and the truth regardless of the stiff-necked who are authorizing themselves as chris griffin who attempt to lead others to follow his false opinions -
32 And we are witnesses of these things, and the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to all that obey him.
33 When they had heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they thought to put them [the apostles] to death.
34 But one in the council rising up, a Pharisee, by name Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, respected by all the people, commanded the men to be put forth a little while.
35 And he said to them; Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves, what you are about to do with these men.
36 For before these days rose up Theodas, affirming himself to be some body, whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined; who was slain: and all who believed him, were dispersed, and brought to nothing.
37 After this man rose up Judas, of Galilee, in the days of the enrolling, and drew away the people after him: he also perished: and all who adhered to him, were dispersed.
38 And now, therefore, I say to you, refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel, or this work be of men, it will come to nothing:
39 But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it, lest perhaps you be found even to fight against God. And they agreed with him.
ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:32-39 [Douay Rheims BIBLE]
Notes by Father Leo Haydock-
Ver. 34. Gamaliel. He that had been St. Paul’s master, according to St. Chrysostom, advised them to forbear, and do nothing rashly. [Ver. 38.] Meddle not with these men; literally, go from them.[6] For, saith he, if this be the work of men only, it will soon fall to nothing; but if it be from God, you cannot hinder it, and you will only make yourselves guilty, by resisting the designs of God. They consented to him, so far as not to put them to death; but they made them be scourged, which they rejoiced at; and they dismissed them with reiterated threats. (Witham) —
Gamaliel was the master of St. Paul, Barnabas, Stephen, and others, and favoured the Christians. St. Clement and Ven. Bede think he was then a Christian, but concealed his conversion at the instigation of the apostles, that he might have an opportunity of defending Christ in the council. He afterwards professed his faith publicly, and was canonized with is son Abibas. See Baronius, 3d of Aug. (Tirinus)
Ver. 39. Time, and the evident success of Christ’s Church, prove it to be of God. No violence of the Jews, no persecution of heathen princes, no attempts of domestic adversaries, heretics, schismatics, or evil livers, have been able to prevail against it. Men of superior abilities have made violent attacks against it; their memory, and that of their disciples, has either been buried and forgotten, or liveth only in malediction and infamy. Let, then, no Catholic be dispirited, because modern heresies continue; Arian and other heresies have continued much longer, have been more powerfully supported by temporal power, and yet have come to nothing. The Catholic religion was the first, and it will be the last religion.
No Catholic must believe in Fatima, that is Catholic dogma. Fatima has so many holes in in it that it leaks like a sieve. You have no case whatsoever. Your only defense is to personally insult me "stiff-necked". I will not insult you in return. I just hope you use some discernment someday.
The defense of the Immaculate Blessed Mother of GOD, our Lady of Fatima, is so very important in these evil times, and the messages of Fatima are something to rejoice in.
In addition, it is crucial to persevere against those who attempt to mislead others as you do, chris griffin, with these your despicable, shameful words-
"I beg everyone to discard "Fatima" for the phony apparition that it is".
@Faith Hope Charity.... You have been fooled into believing a phony apparition. I believe you are in spiritual danger.
For the mandate to love my enemies, I want you to answer the question, What are the holes, chris griffin, as your words declare "Fatima has so many holes in in it that it leaks like a sieve."
Prove that "Fatima has so many holes in in it that it leaks like a sieve."
It is probable that you can not answer because there are no holes in Fatima.
@Instaurare Omnia in Christo Why are you ANGRY at me for saying no Catholic must believe Fatima and I think it is phony. That is my right as a Catholic and it is unfair to be publicly ANGRY at me for holding Catholic rights.
YOUR judgements and accusations against our Lady of Fatima, the Holy and Blessed Mother of oir LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST that ALMIGHTY GOD sent to Fatima to warn and prepare the world have gone far enough.
What are the "so many holes in Fatima that it leaks like a sieve"?
Stop avoiding your responsibility to back up your accusations and behave as a man.
I beg everyone to discard "Fatima" for the phony apparition that it is.
What are the holes in Fatima, little man with keys? I beg everyone not to listen to this non catholic who every chance he gets to put down the MOTHER OF GOD. Unless you repent of your evil stance toward the MOTHER OF GOD your future does not look good. BANG!
@Psalm 139....You are incoherent...
1. "little man with keys?" what the heck does that mean?
2. "non catholic" you are a straight out liar, big liar, deliberate liar.
3. " future does not look good' you are threatning me for something the Catholic Church says I am perfectly justified to criticize if I feel it justified.
Your reply is totally incoherent and meaningless.
You did not answer the question, What are the holes, chris griffin, as your words declare "Fatima has so many holes in in it that it leaks like a sieve."
Prove that "Fatima has so many holes in in it that it leaks like a sieve."
It is probable that you can not answer because there are no holes in Fatima.
@chris griffin
1. Let me help you out and see if you can understand this mr. incoherent what little man with the keys means. You go around this sight every chance you have putting down THE MOTHER OF GOD. You think your a big man, but you really are is just some little man pressing your little keys trying to negatively influence others about various subjects. Especially about the MOTHER OF GOD.
2.Any true Catholic would not be doing what you do on this sight every chance you have putting down the MOTHER OF GOD. if you don't have anything good to say about THE MOTHER OF GOD don't say anything.
3. You can believe what you want about Fatima. Again at your own detriment. You do not have the right to say anything about the BLESSED MOTHER MARY, THE MOTHER OF GOD.
@Faith Hope Charity You called me your enemy "For the mandate to love my enemies" for obeying catholic dogma. I am finished with you.