"When you will see that Holy Mass [Traditional Latin Mass] cannot be celebrated freely anymore...”
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@Adrien The yet to be approved apparitions of Garabandal occurred from 18 June 1961 (before the opening of Vatican II) until 13 November 1965 (before the closing of Vatican II). The Messages were given prior to the changes which took place after the council. The very Holy Mass to which Our Lady was referring was the Traditional Latin Mass.
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The prophecy is not about the Ancient Roman Rite. Count, please, how many rites are in the Catholic Church?! All of them kept their ancient rites of Holy Mass!
It seems to connect the covidian general interdiction of Holy Mass and Russia's actions on war, gas and fuel politics, with worldwide implications in all major fields of international relations.
It seems to connect the covidian general interdiction of Holy Mass and Russia's actions on war, gas and fuel politics, with worldwide implications in all major fields of international relations.
@Bazsó-Dombi Attila OUR LADY'S WORDS TO MARI LOLI HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COVID RESTRICTIONS OF THE NOVUS ORDO. Our Lady was addressing 4 young girls in Spain which is part of the Latin Roman Rite of the Western Catholic Church. The statement was issued before any changes after the Second Vatican Council. Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest that statement was applicable to the Rite of the …More
@Bazsó-Dombi Attila OUR LADY'S WORDS TO MARI LOLI HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COVID RESTRICTIONS OF THE NOVUS ORDO. Our Lady was addressing 4 young girls in Spain which is part of the Latin Roman Rite of the Western Catholic Church. The statement was issued before any changes after the Second Vatican Council. Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest that statement was applicable to the Rite of the 4 girls AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME. One should not interpret Our Lady's comment as an attack upon or as a relegation of the other legitimate Holy Eastern Catholic Rites of the same Church. This writer thinks that you are mistaken on the meaning of this point based upon the proper context and setting.
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@Live Mike I hope we can agree, that a prophecy is about future. How could you interpret the sense in such restrictive way?! Of course, this prophecy is not about covidian restrictions, but about general interdiction of Holy Mass! And this happens in so strange coincidence before a great Russian actions, armed and monetarian effects, both with global gravities.
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Thank you, Live Mike. Two very frightening thoughts; that Russia will overwhelm a great part of the free world, and the Holy Mass will not be celebrated freely anymore. Our Lady of Fatima pray for us!
1982?!! She never refers to the Ancient Roman Rite or any particular rite. I am sure she meant the Holy Mass (any rite with Words of Consecration) because in the 1970s the Ancient Roman Rite was already strongly eradicated (with rare exceptions), nothing like today.
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The N.O. is not a different rite of mass
My comment was a reply to Live Mike because Mari Loli said in 1982: ''In a lot of countries in Europe you can still practice your religion.'' So, it's not about what people call the TLM. Like in France a few years before the bishops used armed policemen to drag priests out of their parishes, 3 priests per diocese on average.
@Elpidius . Of course what is called Novus Ordo is just another rite. It …More
My comment was a reply to Live Mike because Mari Loli said in 1982: ''In a lot of countries in Europe you can still practice your religion.'' So, it's not about what people call the TLM. Like in France a few years before the bishops used armed policemen to drag priests out of their parishes, 3 priests per diocese on average.
@Elpidius . Of course what is called Novus Ordo is just another rite. It is so easy to understand. Just ask a priest to say the new rite with a Missal of the Ancient Roman Rite. He can't...
@Elpidius . Of course what is called Novus Ordo is just another rite. It is so easy to understand. Just ask a priest to say the new rite with a Missal of the Ancient Roman Rite. He can't...
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The prophecy seems to connect the covidian general interdiction of Holy Mass and Russia's actions on war, gas and fuel politics, with worldwide implications in all major fields of international relations.
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I agree that "never refers to the Ancient Roman Rite or any particular rite".
@Elpidius .
Count, please, how many rites are in the Catholic Church?! All of them kept their ancient rites …More
The prophecy seems to connect the covidian general interdiction of Holy Mass and Russia's actions on war, gas and fuel politics, with worldwide implications in all major fields of international relations.
@Adrien
I agree that "never refers to the Ancient Roman Rite or any particular rite".
@Elpidius .
Count, please, how many rites are in the Catholic Church?! All of them kept their ancient rites of Holy Mass!
@Adrien
I agree that "never refers to the Ancient Roman Rite or any particular rite".
@Elpidius .
Count, please, how many rites are in the Catholic Church?! All of them kept their ancient rites of Holy Mass!
@Bazsó-Dombi Attila Our Lady was addressing 4 young girls in Spain which is part of the Latin Roman Rite of the Western Catholic Church. The comment was issued before any changes after the Second Vatican Council. Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest the comment was applicable to the Rite of the 4 girls AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. One should not interpret Our Lady's comment as an attack upon or as …More
@Bazsó-Dombi Attila Our Lady was addressing 4 young girls in Spain which is part of the Latin Roman Rite of the Western Catholic Church. The comment was issued before any changes after the Second Vatican Council. Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest the comment was applicable to the Rite of the 4 girls AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. One should not interpret Our Lady's comment as an attack upon or as a relegation of the other legitimate Holy Eastern Catholic Rites of the same Church. This writer thinks that you are mistaken on the meaning of this point based upon the proper context and setting.
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@Live Mike How could you interpret the sens in such way, totally in out of context I wrote!? Of course, Our Lady never attacks the Church! But why not to consider that this prophecy is pretending a larger interpretation than just Spain and just the Latin Roman Rite of the Western Catholic Church?!
MARI-LOLI'S INTERVIEW ON 19 October 1982
Q. Do you remember what the Blessed Mother said about the communist tribulation that is to precede the Warning?
A. It would look like the communists would have taken over the whole world [does not exclude the Vatican] and it would be very hard to practice the religion, for priests to say Mass or for people to open the doors of the churches.
Q. Is that what …More
MARI-LOLI'S INTERVIEW ON 19 October 1982
Q. Do you remember what the Blessed Mother said about the communist tribulation that is to precede the Warning?
A. It would look like the communists would have taken over the whole world [does not exclude the Vatican] and it would be very hard to practice the religion, for priests to say Mass or for people to open the doors of the churches.
Q. Is that what you meant when you said that it would seem as though the Church had disappeared?
A. Yes.
Q. It would be because of the persecution and not because the people would stop practicing their religion?
A. Yes, but I guess a lot of people will stop. Whoever practices it will have to go into hiding.
Q. Will this only be in Europe or do you think it will be here in the United States as well?
A. I don't know because for me at that time, Europe was the whole world. I just assumed it was that way. The Blessed Mother didn't specify in what place. To me it looked like it was everywhere.
Q. Approximately 67% of the earth s land is now dominated by communism. Do you think that's sufficient to fulfill Our Lady s prophecy?
A. I really don't know. It sounded to me like it would be more than that.
Q. In other words you think it will be worse than it is now?
A. That's what I thought from what she said but I really don't know exactly. To me it looked like it was every place out there, the places I saw in my mind. In a lot of countries in Europe you can still practice your religion.
Q. So, the situation in the world is not bad enough for the Warning to happen?
A. The Warning is not going to happen yet so it's probably going to get worse.
Q. You said that it would be very difficult for priests to say Mass. Was this something that the Blessed Mother told you or was it something that you thought yourself because of the communist tribulation?
A. From what I remember, it was something she said.
Q. And the Virgin said that it would seem as though the Church had disappeared?
A. Yes.
Q. Did the Blessed Mother ever say anything about the Holy Father having to leave Rome at the time of the Warning?
A. No, but what it looked like to me — maybe at this time I was confusing in my mind what I was seeing and what the Blessed Mother was saying to me because it's been so many years — but what it looked like to me was that the Pope couldn't be in Rome either, you know what I mean, out in the open. He was being persecuted, too, and had to hide just like everybody else.
Q. Will people be fighting with one another when the Warning comes?
A. (no answer)
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Q. Do you remember what the Blessed Mother said about the communist tribulation that is to precede the Warning?
A. It would look like the communists would have taken over the whole world [does not exclude the Vatican] and it would be very hard to practice the religion, for priests to say Mass or for people to open the doors of the churches.
Q. Is that what you meant when you said that it would seem as though the Church had disappeared?
A. Yes.
Q. It would be because of the persecution and not because the people would stop practicing their religion?
A. Yes, but I guess a lot of people will stop. Whoever practices it will have to go into hiding.
Q. Will this only be in Europe or do you think it will be here in the United States as well?
A. I don't know because for me at that time, Europe was the whole world. I just assumed it was that way. The Blessed Mother didn't specify in what place. To me it looked like it was everywhere.
Q. Approximately 67% of the earth s land is now dominated by communism. Do you think that's sufficient to fulfill Our Lady s prophecy?
A. I really don't know. It sounded to me like it would be more than that.
Q. In other words you think it will be worse than it is now?
A. That's what I thought from what she said but I really don't know exactly. To me it looked like it was every place out there, the places I saw in my mind. In a lot of countries in Europe you can still practice your religion.
Q. So, the situation in the world is not bad enough for the Warning to happen?
A. The Warning is not going to happen yet so it's probably going to get worse.
Q. You said that it would be very difficult for priests to say Mass. Was this something that the Blessed Mother told you or was it something that you thought yourself because of the communist tribulation?
A. From what I remember, it was something she said.
Q. And the Virgin said that it would seem as though the Church had disappeared?
A. Yes.
Q. Did the Blessed Mother ever say anything about the Holy Father having to leave Rome at the time of the Warning?
A. No, but what it looked like to me — maybe at this time I was confusing in my mind what I was seeing and what the Blessed Mother was saying to me because it's been so many years — but what it looked like to me was that the Pope couldn't be in Rome either, you know what I mean, out in the open. He was being persecuted, too, and had to hide just like everybody else.
Q. Will people be fighting with one another when the Warning comes?
A. (no answer)
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