You are again just being a punk.

What is there about "no personal attacks" Rhemes, that you don't understand?

I would prefer to publicly destroy you on this board but instead I'm reporting your post to management.

R1582, I understand your concern for Fr Pavone that in his ever increasing involvement in the political arena, his Catholic faith will be diluted.

Politics is about compromise and religion is about principles. You cannot gain a majority vote unless you are all things to all people. By joining forces with other major religions on the abolition of abortion you can gain far greater political strength, but equally, you run the risk of becoming compromised in the witness and practice of your faith.

I personally think that the abolition of abortion can only be achieved when the hearts and minds of the citizens at large are changed not only by education, but more importantly, through Eucharistic prayer.

The abolition of the death penalty in the United Kingdom did not occur primarily as a result of a political movement but rather it was because a jury would not send an accused person to the gallows knowing that their decision was irrevocable.

Dear Fr. Pavone,

First of all, thank you for your video and thanks again for your efforts and your inspiration in saving unborn babies.



I just went to PFL website and looked at your page devoted to prayer
www.priestsforlife.org/prayercampaign

Each of those prayers on your website close the same way,

We ask this through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
Or, in Spanish,
Te lo pedimos por Cristo nuestro Señor. Amén.

So, apparently, you do mentioned “Christ” at Priests for Life.



I sympathize with the unfair accusations you've had to suffer lately from a few neo-Catholic establishment bootlicks in Catholic media and even from accusatory, half-witted "guardians of the faith" who post on Gloria.tv.

Blessings



p.s. My hope is that Rome will consecrate you a bishop. Then you can freely tell your critics (every last one of them) what part of your anatomy they can kiss during the 'kiss of peace.' You, of course, would not say it but Holy Cannoli would.

Hi SBpfu! Indeed, I was just trying to get Rhemes to order his thoughts a tad better so that they are crystal clear - hence my summerisation below. On the other hand, the prayer formula which I gave is also used by the Mormons and the Pentecostals alike. But then there is the baptism question which is problematic since they (mormons), for some odd reason, baptise in the name of the Triune God. NOT in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost (Spirit). Weird really.

The Patristic formula of To the Father through the Son in the Power of the Holy Spirit seems to be more the rule rather than the exception. On this side of the Pond any way.....

Dear Rhemes,
Firstly, let me say how happy I am that we can engage in a respectful conversation as Catholic gentlemen even though we have disagreed. I am relatively new to this site and I haven't seen too many of these "pro-life videos". My comments were specific to this particular one. Taken in isolation, one cannot accuse it of "indifferentism" but I take your point that when I see more, I'll notice whether there is a strong "indifferentist" element. If that is the case, then naturally I would also criticise them.
Perhaps there is a difference between the "pro-life movement" in Australia and the USA. In Oz, though we are most happy to join with all men and women of good will in opposition to the murder of the unborn and we are very grateful for the added support, we do so very much as Catholics ... very proudly so as Catholics. Our very clear sense of identity as Catholics - due to the great number of Catholic Schools, the existence of strongly orthodox new religious orders and seminaries, the great success of WYD Sydney 2008 and the strong leadership of orthodox religious leaders like Cardinal Pell - maybe allows us to join other believers in common endeavours without the fear that our own beliefs might have to be watered down or have to be compromised.
Christus vincit Christus regant Christus imperat
Viva il Papa!

@Rhemes - To be clear: That the mission is not explicitly IN NOMINE IESV CHRISTI, is your concern. This concern is located in an apparent locvs priori in the natural anthropoid, rather than the higher, religious realm.

Is this what you are trying to say?

@rhemes1582,
I really don't understand what you find so objectionable about this video. There is no sense of "indifferentism" in it. The video is under 3 minutes long and "non-Catholics" are first mentioned only at the 1.29 mark. In fact, and please look/listen to it again, anything that could be classified as specifically "non-Catholic" is mentioned only that one time. The video deals with the upcoming "World Synod of Catholic Bishops" with its theme of "The New Evangelization" and Fr Pavone is asking pro-lifers to contribute to its agenda. He is a Catholic priest and the founder and Director of a Catholic organization called "Priests for Life". The Gospel, the Church, Rome, the Vatican, Pope John Paul, "the present Holy Father" and "Catholic events" are all mentioned. Finally, the Synod is placed in the context of the need to re-evangelize a secularised world where relativism and a culture of death reign. How more "Catholic" do you want the video to be? How more Catholic can it be? Furthermore, isn't one of the fundamental tenets of our Catholic Faith that God is the Creator? What is wrong in mentioning this? Since it is a video about pro-life issues it makes sense that "God as Creator" would feature prominently. Isn't it a blesssing that Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Moslems can all join together under this common belief to defend the unborn creatures of our common Creator? Can anyone mention meaningfully all the cardinal elements of our Holy Faith in under 3 minutes? Should anyone be offended because the most Blessed Sacrament isn't mentioned? Or the most Holy Mother of God?
I agree with your sentiments that our endeavours should have a Catholic basis but I do think that you are aiming your criticisms at the wrong video.
Christus vincit Christus regnat Christus imperat
Viva il Papa!

@Rhemes- I rather think you miss the point. The progression is, according to Scripture and later, the Patristic Fathers unto Tomas Aquinas, "To the Father through the Son in the power of the Holy Spirit". This is common to ALL biblically based Christians. I do not see the Church compromising on this Truth or any such core truth to save souls.

Do clarify your point dear brother, it is quite vague.

@ Rhemes 1582 Hi!
I agree with you that as Catholics we should profess publicly and proudly ALL that we believe. Finding common ground with men and women of all faiths for a common cause, such as the ending of abortion, should NOT mean that we ignore what it is that gives us our very identity. On the other hand, we cannot expect Jews, Moslems, Protestants to ignore their own identity either. So, don't you think that if we are joining for a common purpose with others we should all concentrate on that, the common purpose, rather than on our differences? Defeating our real enemies, atheists and militant secularists, is our immediate need. Once that is achieved, converting those who believe in God but have yet to embrace the One True Faith can then become the primary focus of all our endeavours.
Christus regnat Christus vincit Christus imperat
Viva il Papa!